Notes From Nature Talk
#French
Not a waterway that I'm eager to swim in.
nice find!
See: http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=518171 maybe synonyms not on my list... I'll check
I'd just transcribe the 1st; the 2nd is probably a synonym that had been superseded, but which the determiner included "for old-time's sake"
I would probably expand to Trillium, unless you're transcribing all determinations (which would provide the necessary context).
Definitely something that should be addressed in the (non-existent) transcription guide...
If it's a language I have some grasp of, I usually try to figure out what goes in which field, then transcribe exactly as it is on the label
And the genus is misspelled (should be Aletris)
just out botanizing with the family...
Now called White Springs; in Hamilton Co., FL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Springs,_FL
*ago
And here, from longer age: http://talk.notesfromnature.org/#/boards/BNN0000003/discussions/DNN00001fe
An imposter! Such intrigue in the world of sedges...
More comments on same issue: ANN0003p0w
I've had a problem with the marquee being too small even for a single label. Would be great if it were re-sizable, or you could pan around.
Looks like it: http://plants.usda.gov/core/profile?symbol=CAGE2
etiqueta de la muestra en #Español
#multipledeterminations
Now Prosartes lanuginosa
#handwriting only determined to family
#hybrid
I don't bother with ellipses, usually just use commas.
Species name #spelling incorrect; should be caroliniana
Bristlecone pine? American chestnut stump?
"Diagram: Lower petals white with blue dots, solid blue at base and tip?" If I interpreted the diagram correctly...
These abbreviations are location references using the Public Land Survey System (aka "township & range"), which was only used in some states
Nice find!
Guess he was either a prolific collector, or used some kind of code that meant something other than 85,000+ consecutive colls... ANN0000p45
Anyone seen a collection number bigger than 84,364 (for any collector)?
An unusual handwritten MGL
Got it! 6/22/1971. See ANN0000yop.
Here's one in the 80s: ANN0000sq8
Kind of an interesting label. Anyone seen others like this?
Some consider Arisaema pusillum to be its own species (for example, see Weakley's Flora of the Southern and Mid-Atlantic States).
Lowest collection number I have seen for MGL. Maybe he was in grad school in Iowa?
I would transcribe as shown. It would be easy for the database managers to later convert to accepted names, but not back.
The currently accepted name being Panicum dichotomum. http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-428047
It means the P. tenue & P. albomarginatum are synonyms. According to The Plant List, there are more than 90 synonyms for this species!
Word before "usually sloping"?
Last name? Gotten a couple of these now and I'm still not sure...
"Salsepareille" appears to be a common name (in French?). Lower left probably the location. Guesses as to what "Escavillo" refers to?
This collector's first numbered specimen
Brooks Museum: http://explore.lib.virginia.edu/exhibits/show/architecture-after-jefferson/the-romantic-picturesque/7
I'd guess Faye Jones. Not one I have seen on other records.
cool!
There's an "Oak" badge at 250. I think that may be the last one.
Fluvanna County
You can do the same thing with AutoHotkey: http://www.autohotkey.com/
Glad I didn't have to ID this one!
Take-your-kids-to-work Day?
How about the "old chestnut stump" badge?
Ahh, "not shown" is a new option so I didn't know to look for it. Thanks!
Nope, just trying to help out future transcribers of this record.
#incompletedate
In Mobile Co., AL. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dauphin_Island
I enjoyed the note on this one...
Another MGL in France, 8560.
And another. http://talk.notesfromnature.org/#/subjects/ANN0000vw1
French. Looks like Hyères is in the Var department of France, so I entered that for the state, and entered the whole line in location.
Oops, should have scrolled down to look for other comments first!
It's almost as if he wrote it with the intention that someone might someday attempt to read it...
RSF being positively legible, back in the early days (#188).
Was just about to ask the same question - the system works! Those were the only two words I couldn't make out.
More collections from MGL's trip to France (also see ANN0000s45).
Cranberry is a small town in Avery County. They were in the same conference as the middle school I went to.
The bog there is therefore called the "Cranberry Bog."
What day of the month do you suppose "L" is? 1?
Looks to me like "Camp Concord Trail - Rockbridge & Bedford Co's." RSF is notorious for poor handwriting...
I think you're probably seeing the whole label & there just isn't much information on it.
Thanks y'all
I agree, definitely looks more like Threlkeld. Thanks!
Anyone recognize/able to decipher the 2nd collector name? Looks like "Threskold" or something like...
Why d'you suppose he crossed out his name & then re-wrote it?
#oldrecord
Could MGL be more specific? Two words for habitat & 47 for location. Guess he was more of a biogeographer than he was an ecologist.
Learned about PLSS while doing field work in Idaho. http://prezi.com/agggqcsfh8ac/township-range-and-metes-and-bounds/
Yeah, I've always lived in NC, which uses metes & bounds rather than township & range.
MGL collecting during a Mediterranean vacation?
Colored states in this map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Meridians-baselines.png
This notation is often used in states that fall under the Public Land Survey System (township & range).
What was "Flora Europaea" doing collecting in VA?
Thanks! I was wondering why the genus wasn't capitalized...
Also worked backward from current name for Hooker's Orchis (Platanthera hookeri) and found no synonyms that look anything like this. Ideas?
Can't get the binomial to match anything in TPL, no matter how many wildcards I use. Looks to me like "dipar[n]is daeselii" or some such.
Didn't know that you had to go through Alabama to get to the underworld...
Thought this was an interesting collection location. Can be easy to overlook what's close at hand.
#incompletedate, and not much else
Looks like R. Dale Thomas was even more prolific than RKG!
s.n. as collection number (see ANN000018i for discussion)
found same on this record: ANN0000yx2
In cases such as this I have been entering as written, adding [sic] after the part that seems to be clearly a mistake. Not sure what's best.
#hybrid Maybe the rest of the information is on 61754 A...
#hybrid (seems to me that #cross would suggest intent)
D'oh, that's because this record is from VA. Clearly wasn't paying attention.
I think it means a spring that only flows intermittently. Agree that it's probably not a specific location but more of a habitat description
locality: orchard (something), golf links, U. Va.
Looks to me like Warwick Co. is now part of Newport News City, but the internet didn't give me a 100% clear answer.
Here's another: ANN00001r9, and I've probably seen at least 10 like it. Wonder if he was working on Eupatorium taxonomy of something...
Yes. Feel like I've seen labels that say something like "4 sheets this number." RKG seems to be really into these hybrids, seen lots of them
#cross
#interesting #old collection
perhaps multiple sheets with the same collection number?
Good ol' RSF & his crazy #handwriting again. Trouble with first line of location: "Near monument(?) * "top" Mt.(?)" Peaks of Otter.
#isotype
Species name is crossed out but hasn't been replaced with anything.
I can't make out the location, but the collector appears to be "Flora Americana"
Azalea calendulacea, later revised by mystery 1981-bad-handwriting-person to Rhododendron calendulaceum (I would enter the latter).
I'd give that a 501
R. Kelly strikes again!
#handwriting last word in first line of location, last name of collector
LCA goes west. I enjoyed the rather oenological annotation "hint of eremophilus."
Hmm, I had this problem with Albermarle Co., VA a long time ago, but now it always shows up in the list. Did you double-check the state?
#nolabel
#handwriting
#multipledeterminations, although mostly similar
#twospecies of Eupatorium (seen several of these)
Smilax
#synonymy
What do you suppose "Houk's special problem" was?
Now a federally threatened species - kind of interesting.
Apparently R. Kelly was botanizing in VA in the '30s - who knew? #rappersbotanizing
another #redaction
Okay thanks, too bad I #cantedit
#handwriting for last 2 words in 1st line of location, 1st few in 2nd line.
#handwriting collector's last name
#handwriting for last word in location - Rivanna?
Golo appears to be a town in KY: http://kentucky.hometownlocator.com/ky/graves/golo.cfm
Yes, the variety is an important part of the ID.
Looks right to me. Michaux is often abbreviated Michx., which I think matches the last word. But now how do I go back and enter that?
Can't read #handwriting for species name
Looks like 554 to me
Albemarle Co. now part of another VA county? Not in list. Also trouble deciphering collector name. #vacounties
Albemarle not in list of FL counties. Also had trouble deciphering collector name.
Can't distinguish handwriting of genus-species.
Has Callahan Co., Texas become part of another county? Doesn't show up in the list.
I selected the whole tag, but it only shows the top part in the entry window, and there's no way to scroll. Help?
#French
Not a waterway that I'm eager to swim in.
nice find!
See: http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt?search_topic=TSN&search_value=518171 maybe synonyms not on my list... I'll check
I'd just transcribe the 1st; the 2nd is probably a synonym that had been superseded, but which the determiner included "for old-time's sake"
I would probably expand to Trillium, unless you're transcribing all determinations (which would provide the necessary context).
Definitely something that should be addressed in the (non-existent) transcription guide...
If it's a language I have some grasp of, I usually try to figure out what goes in which field, then transcribe exactly as it is on the label
And the genus is misspelled (should be Aletris)
just out botanizing with the family...
Now called White Springs; in Hamilton Co., FL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Springs,_FL
*ago
And here, from longer age: http://talk.notesfromnature.org/#/boards/BNN0000003/discussions/DNN00001fe
An imposter! Such intrigue in the world of sedges...
More comments on same issue: ANN0003p0w
I've had a problem with the marquee being too small even for a single label. Would be great if it were re-sizable, or you could pan around.
Looks like it: http://plants.usda.gov/core/profile?symbol=CAGE2
etiqueta de la muestra en #Español
#multipledeterminations
Now Prosartes lanuginosa
#handwriting only determined to family
#multipledeterminations
#hybrid
I don't bother with ellipses, usually just use commas.
Species name #spelling incorrect; should be caroliniana
Bristlecone pine? American chestnut stump?
"Diagram: Lower petals white with blue dots, solid blue at base and tip?" If I interpreted the diagram correctly...
These abbreviations are location references using the Public Land Survey System (aka "township & range"), which was only used in some states
Nice find!
Guess he was either a prolific collector, or used some kind of code that meant something other than 85,000+ consecutive colls... ANN0000p45
Anyone seen a collection number bigger than 84,364 (for any collector)?
An unusual handwritten MGL
Got it! 6/22/1971. See ANN0000yop.
Here's one in the 80s: ANN0000sq8
Kind of an interesting label. Anyone seen others like this?
Some consider Arisaema pusillum to be its own species (for example, see Weakley's Flora of the Southern and Mid-Atlantic States).
Lowest collection number I have seen for MGL. Maybe he was in grad school in Iowa?
I would transcribe as shown. It would be easy for the database managers to later convert to accepted names, but not back.
The currently accepted name being Panicum dichotomum.
http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-428047
It means the P. tenue & P. albomarginatum are synonyms. According to The Plant List, there are more than 90 synonyms for this species!
Word before "usually sloping"?
Last name? Gotten a couple of these now and I'm still not sure...
"Salsepareille" appears to be a common name (in French?). Lower left probably the location. Guesses as to what "Escavillo" refers to?
This collector's first numbered specimen
Brooks Museum: http://explore.lib.virginia.edu/exhibits/show/architecture-after-jefferson/the-romantic-picturesque/7
I'd guess Faye Jones. Not one I have seen on other records.
cool!
There's an "Oak" badge at 250. I think that may be the last one.
Fluvanna County
You can do the same thing with AutoHotkey: http://www.autohotkey.com/
Glad I didn't have to ID this one!
Take-your-kids-to-work Day?
How about the "old chestnut stump" badge?
Ahh, "not shown" is a new option so I didn't know to look for it. Thanks!
Nope, just trying to help out future transcribers of this record.
#incompletedate
In Mobile Co., AL.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dauphin_Island
I enjoyed the note on this one...
Another MGL in France, 8560.
And another. http://talk.notesfromnature.org/#/subjects/ANN0000vw1
French. Looks like Hyères is in the Var department of France, so I entered that for the state, and entered the whole line in location.
Oops, should have scrolled down to look for other comments first!
It's almost as if he wrote it with the intention that someone might someday attempt to read it...
RSF being positively legible, back in the early days (#188).
Was just about to ask the same question - the system works! Those were the only two words I couldn't make out.
More collections from MGL's trip to France (also see ANN0000s45).
Cranberry is a small town in Avery County. They were in the same conference as the middle school I went to.
The bog there is therefore called the "Cranberry Bog."
What day of the month do you suppose "L" is? 1?
Looks to me like "Camp Concord Trail - Rockbridge & Bedford Co's." RSF is notorious for poor handwriting...
I think you're probably seeing the whole label & there just isn't much information on it.
Thanks y'all
I agree, definitely looks more like Threlkeld. Thanks!
Anyone recognize/able to decipher the 2nd collector name? Looks like "Threskold" or something like...
Why d'you suppose he crossed out his name & then re-wrote it?
#oldrecord
Could MGL be more specific? Two words for habitat & 47 for location. Guess he was more of a biogeographer than he was an ecologist.
Learned about PLSS while doing field work in Idaho. http://prezi.com/agggqcsfh8ac/township-range-and-metes-and-bounds/
Yeah, I've always lived in NC, which uses metes & bounds rather than township & range.
MGL collecting during a Mediterranean vacation?
Colored states in this map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Meridians-baselines.png
This notation is often used in states that fall under the Public Land Survey System (township & range).
What was "Flora Europaea" doing collecting in VA?
Thanks! I was wondering why the genus wasn't capitalized...
Also worked backward from current name for Hooker's Orchis (Platanthera hookeri) and found no synonyms that look anything like this. Ideas?
Can't get the binomial to match anything in TPL, no matter how many wildcards I use. Looks to me like "dipar[n]is daeselii" or some such.
Didn't know that you had to go through Alabama to get to the underworld...
Thought this was an interesting collection location. Can be easy to overlook what's close at hand.
#incompletedate, and not much else
Looks like R. Dale Thomas was even more prolific than RKG!
s.n. as collection number (see ANN000018i for discussion)
found same on this record: ANN0000yx2
In cases such as this I have been entering as written, adding [sic] after the part that seems to be clearly a mistake. Not sure what's best.
#hybrid
Maybe the rest of the information is on 61754 A...
#hybrid (seems to me that #cross would suggest intent)
D'oh, that's because this record is from VA. Clearly wasn't paying attention.
I think it means a spring that only flows intermittently. Agree that it's probably not a specific location but more of a habitat description
locality: orchard (something), golf links, U. Va.
Looks to me like Warwick Co. is now part of Newport News City, but the internet didn't give me a 100% clear answer.
#incompletedate
Here's another: ANN00001r9, and I've probably seen at least 10 like it. Wonder if he was working on Eupatorium taxonomy of something...
Yes. Feel like I've seen labels that say something like "4 sheets this number." RKG seems to be really into these hybrids, seen lots of them
#cross
#interesting #old collection
perhaps multiple sheets with the same collection number?
Good ol' RSF & his crazy #handwriting again. Trouble with first line of location: "Near monument(?) * "top" Mt.(?)"
Peaks of Otter.
#isotype
#cross
#cross
Species name is crossed out but hasn't been replaced with anything.
I can't make out the location, but the collector appears to be "Flora Americana"
Azalea calendulacea, later revised by mystery 1981-bad-handwriting-person to Rhododendron calendulaceum (I would enter the latter).
I'd give that a 501
R. Kelly strikes again!
#handwriting last word in first line of location, last name of collector
LCA goes west. I enjoyed the rather oenological annotation "hint of eremophilus."
Hmm, I had this problem with Albermarle Co., VA a long time ago, but now it always shows up in the list. Did you double-check the state?
#nolabel
#handwriting
#multipledeterminations
#multipledeterminations
#incompletedate
#multipledeterminations, although mostly similar
#multipledeterminations
#twospecies of Eupatorium (seen several of these)
#incompletedate
Smilax
#multipledeterminations
#synonymy
What do you suppose "Houk's special problem" was?
Now a federally threatened species - kind of interesting.
#multipledeterminations
#multipledeterminations
#handwriting
Apparently R. Kelly was botanizing in VA in the '30s - who knew? #rappersbotanizing
#incompletedate
another #redaction
#incompletedate
Okay thanks, too bad I #cantedit
#handwriting for last 2 words in 1st line of location, 1st few in 2nd line.
#cross
#handwriting collector's last name
#handwriting for last word in location - Rivanna?
Golo appears to be a town in KY: http://kentucky.hometownlocator.com/ky/graves/golo.cfm
#synonymy
#cross
#cross
Yes, the variety is an important part of the ID.
#multipledeterminations
#multipledeterminations
Looks right to me. Michaux is often abbreviated Michx., which I think matches the last word. But now how do I go back and enter that?
Can't read #handwriting for species name
Looks like 554 to me
Albemarle Co. now part of another VA county? Not in list. Also trouble deciphering collector name. #vacounties
Albemarle not in list of FL counties. Also had trouble deciphering collector name.
Can't distinguish handwriting of genus-species.
Has Callahan Co., Texas become part of another county? Doesn't show up in the list.
I selected the whole tag, but it only shows the top part in the entry window, and there's no way to scroll. Help?