Notes From Nature Talk
Double image, can't see information except here.
ah. now I see below. I'll try again
Information too pale to read
I had a page with all dashes for dates, so I put dashes in all the date fields. It indicates what was there, but easier to leave blank!
a new way to be (nearly) illegible!
not at all sure about the date and the collector is unreadable - by me, at least!
What a good page! well behaved and docile.
Sorry, I can't read this one, it's just a little too blurry. Maybe younger eyes can manage.
You can go back and change the entry by clicking the corresponding grey line.
Bad news, acather, this is one of RSF's more legible cards!
I really hope I upped the count of pages by one!
I have often wondered if such a thing existed. Cool.
You better believe it!
Another whole page done with the help of written notes and not the green line. Tricky. I hope my spelling is sort of close!
Beautiful, and I finished it! even after losing the green line.
The clarity of this card made me wonder if it had been replaced at some point, but the plant material is also nice - and from 1926!
Michel G. Lelong often does this, not sure if it is a series of specimens, or just a jumble of numbers crowded together.
I like Iltis. I saw this name earlier today and entered Htis, which seemed no more unlikely than Iltis from the writing.
This is the kind of typing that reminds me of detective novels, where the typewriter can always be traced by its .. idiosyncrasies.
Are you sure guys? Cuz that looks like Aug. 10, 1913 to me. Or at least 1913 is as good a guess as any!
Finally. I see how that could be a Y, but I'm sticking with G. With luck we won't see any more. snicker.
Monticello was Thomas Jefferson's plantation. Open for tours. Jefferson founded the University of Virginia in Charlottesville, Va.
When you can't read them, you pass, and soon you will be reading them with the best of us. I get L. G. Carr for collector.
Collector: Betts - Carter - Baker.
This list is missing the really difficult name of Strelkeld. Or something like that.
I'd say, near Golf stream, Albemarle Co. ( we figure it means on the gold course.)
Changed my mind, went with 1959, but it might be 1969. More magnification would make it clearer. Maybe.
I'm going with 1969 but wonder if it's really 1959
state is Virginia!
This is interesting, I live in Raleigh and the arboretum is not downtown, nor ever was. Close enough for a visitor, maybe!
Cecil D. West for sure. How can you not see it?
I know. It's such an awkward combination of letters I find it hard to believe it's correct. But this handwriting is perfectly clear.
I've been calling him Moyler
Welcome to transcribing, kylekelly!
Yes, not all records ore perfect. You do what you can and move on.
I said 1942, but it might look different to others.
I think this collector gets a different name every time I transcribe it!
You're quite right. The connection is that Jefferson founded UVa, and the collection belongs to UVa.
I believe the Buell collection is from that time, as opposed to something more recent.
Or "vie." might be an abbreviation I don't know.
I have seen this, a word that looks like "vie" in a place where "via" might be appropriate.Local pronunciation, maybe?
Sure, why not, there's no telling what might be useful in the future. It can go in the Habitat field.
You're signed in, right? That's what fixed it for me.
That handwriting is unreal. I want to be taught.
Haven't seen handwriting like this since school. A nice change from Dr. Freer's usual.
Awesome! Stands in line to shake hands with the pro, and gawk at the badge.
Cool. Kind of makes up for the date, eh?
Why did all those plants get glued to the page? It does make a nice presentation.
And you were right to do so. The others are later additions, as other people check the identification. You can tell by the dates.
As for WHY they check the ID, you'd have to ask an expert, and you're in the right place for that.
Agreed! Nice job. Pretty name.
Full collector's name not in photo. #moderator
Castella CA is in Shasta County.
Those "c"s and "e"s are about the same.
An actual number one. What a rarity.
It did look like culm but that is not a word I know.
Lion! Way to explain the terms!
puberulous. I ran across this recently, it means fuzzy. The info in the parentheses doesn't look like a name to me, nor anything else.
I entered w e into the county field and got Westmoreland and went with it, but could be wrong.
Google gives me "Tussilago Farfara" for the scientific name for colt's foot, so that seems good.
Here's a challenge! I've got "Colt's Foot" and "Wet Places" so far!
Thanks, that was one word I wasn't sure I was spelling correctly! Milkweed, huh? So also Lamb's Ear.
Unusual! Conforms to (old?) P. equilaterale Scribner. Unusually puberulent throughout; Spik. 3-3.2 mm long.
comment: puberulent is a word?!
Jos. Pine? Could make a case for that, too.
The scribble could be something scratched out, or Mt or Dr. I'm going with scratched out, as it looks a lot like a J for Jos.
I see Jos. Ride. road - 2 miles west of (scribble) Snowden, Amhearst County.
There's a Dismal Swamp Canal, but it does look more like Angle. I looked for a town with that name, but got nowhere.
Jos. could be short for Joseph, like Wm. for William, and isn't there one for George? (Hey, this is practically legible!)
I would say 1936.
For confirmation, though, there are other specimens by Della Smith in the collection.
I look at this plant and see "weed" so that's what would be everywhere, for sure!
Three on the Locality line alone!
Also, it is another Panamint Inyo County records that so confused me last time. No mistaking the spelling this time.
This is so sad! Information obscured by fallen bug parts!
Looking for the common name of this plant introduced me to Calflora! I should have known it existed.
You cracked me up. A great way to start the day.
This is hilarious, partly because there's so little comment!
No, no, "not many" is a good thing, I weirdly worried about Customs in retrospect. Plants don't easily cross International boundary lines.
8527 and 8524. Maybe he didn't take very many.
This is an amazing find! I wonder if this was before the accident? Broken finger or something of that sort?
Good for you, and thanks! I searched Inyo County maps and got NOTHING.
Yes, the typewriter I learned typing on had no numeral one, we were expected to use a small L instead. It was old at the time, of course.
I'm calling the locality Panamint Spr. but I do not believe it.
Could it be Stan U?
Records like these restore my faith in the Collector's number - a nice low "15."
Congrats! Better late...
So, you've been doing this awhile already? Good, you know some important things!
That's a name I have not seen but that's what it looks like to me. No doubt it will be become crystal clear later on.
From a distance, it looks like "81."
Looks like Mt to me. Try as I might, I can't make a number out of that.
And seems to me that there are other specimens from Minn.
I hope whoever gets this one next is helped by our discussion!
judging solely by the shape of the word, and having seen it several times!
Looks like it might be "panicum"
The amusement value has considerably decreased with it showing up over and over! Thanks!
Take it away.
Any way you look at it, this needs a new photo!
Although it might be fun.
skipped it! There's nothing to transcribe.
Sorry. In the family name, I think it's UT. I'd be willing to believe other things but with an R coming next, T is more likely than L.
Here's Threlkeld again. There is such a surname. I hope the date I chose is correct! May 1, 1928
Humulus Lupulus, common hop.
Best guess will have to do. It seems to be in this same list all the time, so is fairly recognizable.
More info might be on the paper to the right.
All it is really missing is a collector. I think. I've not seen bugs with descriptions. bison is the name of the insect.
#incomplete, missing info, New photo?
It would have meant changing the number.
I did galaxies, but there was no count. Or if there was, I didn't see it.
Clouds? Are they with Zooneriverse? Tell me something, are those mammogram clouds Photoshopped?
Wonder how much overlap we have?
I also have 1000+ plants, but only about 12 bugs. I bow to your supremacy! [Go, you!]
They are old records, from 1890s and before. Lots of them have initials MWB for collector. I wonder if Buell is an abbreviated.
Yes, those are old records. Some of them have the century with the date.
Damage before or after storage? Can you really tell?
That's what it looks like to me, too.
souvenir? Accidentally wrapped in my towel when I got back from swimming?
and legible handwriting!
Thanks. The map explains why it seems so common and yet I'd never heard of it. I've lived in VA, KY, NC, and one miserable year in Ohio.
Then my job is complete.
Wouldn't you have to get special permission? Oh, that's if you ask. Maybe it was a botanical conference!
Me, too. Do collectors use special maps when collecting, or is this the usual designation in some places?
Visiting her cousin, Flora Americano?
I do the same. There's been time for changes, and room for colloquialisms. Consistency will help later researchers.
That was my initial reaction!
Every collector was told to use a middle initial. Why not spell out the months as well? 😄
I strongly disapprove of these two letter month abbreviations. There's a reason to use a standard version.
Lots of these early collectors, at least from the Mountain Lake Biological Station, didn't bother filling out all the information.
Yeah, but you're right, it is. Trice's Lake never looks like Trice.
And Michel G. Lelong was such a promising collector at first! Oh, well, nobody is at the top of their game all the time!
I am so impressed!
Scroll down this page for a photo that looks very like the specimen. [http://www.actaplantarum.org/floraitaliae/viewtopic.php?t=23395]
Diparis dorselii? No, that gets me nothing.
How about Liparis? This got me hits for Liparis loeselii. I guess those are capital "L"s.
...possibly. Good luck with that!
On further research, Kentucky and Maryland have listed this plant as endangered. That leaves 9 other states that have not done so.
Plant or Praying Mantis?
I'm in NC and seldom come across another Virginian. It is lovely!
Yeah, 1973 was well after the split. I have seen a few other locations that were wrong. I assume it will all work out in the end.
welwitschia, when a native glances at the info and gets a reading, I think it's the way to go. I'm from Montgomery Co, not Albemarle!
Yea, once I look again I agree - CLOVER. Either way, I never heard of it. Pretty name, though.
I'd have said "Towles Add." But what it looks like to me has nothing to do with what it is, and I like welwitschia's explanation.
between Clarke's and Irish Gap
is my guess.
without those blessed preprinted cards I would never have been sure of the spelling of his name.
I like what you got. I'd have probably read it: Uvularia perfoliata. about 2 mi down Parker's Gap Trail. Ruskin S. Freer 8/17/33
I wonder about these numbers and where they come from. Who would know if a few get skipped now and then? I'm still hugely impressed.
Yes. There are others, but I couldn't say which, offhand.
Hey look at this - it's quite legible.
Here is a beautiful specimen and card - all the information neatly typewritten.
Or it could be my monitor. Hm.
I take that back, it probably IS "Trice's Lake."
for a change it does not seem to be Trice Lake, but I'm not saying I'd rule it out! I'll have another look at that list of lakes.
collector's name is "Seminar Group".
So this card isn't faded, just plain blank. I thought I saw stray marks earlier but not now.
I do wonder how many cheeks are represented.
You bet! I thought "otherwise" was an odd notation for the circumstances, too.
How did the card fade so badly when the plant material isn't damaged, and the penciled note remains easily read? Bad ink?
To my eye, that IS a blank card. Good for you! Max Buell's cards are old enough to be legitimately faded but most are much more clear.
Early on, I noticed collection dates clustering around holidays - free time! July 4 crops up a lot, and so does Nov 11.
Collected on February 29, 1976
You have to be right. Class of 1926. I can get behind "rocky or otherwise" as well. I'll go clean my glasses.
Well, now we know where "Flora Americana" comes from.
I don't think I've seen that name before, but that's what it looks like.
Good call on the signature, this was a particularly difficult variation.
Or just plain wrong! You can decided which to use. Any expert using this information could easily figure out the correct spelling.
Bless the poor soul who got stuck writing the county names on the cards for RS Freer. Freer eventually got cards with his name pre-printed.
Could be a well known location at the time. Some springs come and go depending on the level of the underlying water table.
The county always lets me know if I'm in the right state.
The collector's name is Ivey F, Lewis, although I'm sure you've moved on.
The 3 is backwards in 1936. I suppose we should be grateful we can read any part of it.
yes, an orchard near the new golf links at University of Virginia makes sense. Rocky and alt---?
Last time I saw this I COULD NOT figure out what that notation was. Now I know.
Is it just me, or is there a huge amount of variation in these Eupatorium species?
Hs! Ramsey County, Minnesota!
An argument across the decades. I love it. See kids, this is how it happened before the internet!
But that's amazing! Did you find it on a map?
Yikes! The government has a way with a form.
Proof that you don't have to handwrite your information for it to be illegible
Back Creek between Sherando and Love - all place names found on map!
I've been saying put the original county name in "Habitat" but it belongs in "Location."
I looked it up for me the other day, and went with TRICE Lake.
Location: Wythe County, Collector: Flora Americano. When you can't read it, skip it. Practice helps, and there's plenty to practice on!
I think I would leave it out.
It was such a relief to see his name IN PRINT on a card. Most of his signatures are indecipherable! (and a lot of the rest) Sorry, RSF!
Monticello was the home of Thomas Jefferson, who also founded the University of Virginia. The Mountain Lake Biol. Stn. belongs to UVa.
I got nothing else to add. "More" is what I see, but only if that's a stray mark above.
actually, that's how I would enter it! for fun. I'm checking Bedford County.
Zizia Aptera, Heartleaf Golden Alexanders, carrot family. Easy to believe. Just use a search engine.
vis? This has given me problems also; this is the clearest I've seen. Could it mean "near"? My Latin is rusty. Collector: Lloyd. L. Carr
Viola striata; Pale or Striped Violet; Hotops; Low ground; R. Kelly; April 29, 1931; Common.
Took me a minute to decipher, but here you go - although I'm sure you've taken care of it one way or another already!
I agree, Datura stramonium, common name Jimson Weed.
Blackwater, Grayson Massie.
I'd say October 1937.
Looks like Sunset Hill to me, too Radford is not in Montgomery Co, but don't figure it makes much difference to anybody.
I wouldn't think so! I don't see how you could!
I often put it in the habitat & description field. sometimes I forget.
I'd like to know, too, because I never use information unless it is on the card. Maybe I should be?
I'm from Montgomery County, and can say the same. I am seeing HOTOP as a location on some of the cards. Acronym? Or you're too young!
Yes, I believe Big Stoney (or Stony) Creek is a location. I've seen it often. Always in Giles Co., Va. USA
No doubt this is the Scientific Author: Small.
I agree with the name Polygala Curtissii
Definitely US for COUNTRY.
I've been leaving the COUNTY blank on these. Too much guesswork for now.
try "Big Stony Creek"
Here's another voucher comment!
#unnamed, new variety?
Kimballton Lime Quarry is in Giles County. I read the missing word as "KEARNES" but don't find it as a location. Leave it out.
Then I enter the reference as "(Lam.) Small, L." with a comma between experts.
There are a LOT of these hybrids.
I enter the Scientific Name as written: "Eupatorium capillifolium X E. perfoliatum".